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[green_queen]

I found it disappointing.

It was better than the last two, don't get me wrong, but then most movies I've seen in my life were better than the last two.

GOOD:
-Yoda, in spite of the fact that they should never get him to say sentences that are more than about 10 words long and the fact that I preferred the puppet.
-Ewan's star turn as Obi-Wan - quick witted and managing to make even the worst dialogue sound credible.
-Hayden Christensen's face, torso, hair, and makeup and costuming teams. I don't usually find him attractive, but every time he was on screen I found myself saying "Wow. Hot."
-Teh Gay. So much love, it makes Obi-Wan's pain more credible when he learns the truth.
-Everything coming full circle - gives you more appreciation of the older films.
-There is a good line: "So this is how liberty ends..."
-The completely heart-wrenching scene when Anakin kills the 'younglings'.

BAD:
-The use of the word 'younglings.'
-The dialogue. Pretty much everything, with the possible exception of "I loved you!" which is good because it's slashy.
-The dialogue in the romantic scenes.
You are SO beautiful!
Only because I'm SO in love with you!
I SO TOTALLY love you more!
I love YOU more!
Kill me. Seriously. Also bad: WAR! as the first line in the opening text and Vadar screaming "NOOOO!"
-Far, far too many special effects to feel very emotionally connected to what's going on. The entire Ani/Obi-Wan fight would have been much better if they'd stayed in one place. Even though the old special effects are dated they are given credibility by real sets etc.
-The editing. I hate wipe cuts. HATE.
-If I hear "Search your feelings, you know it to be true" or a variation on it ONE MORE TIME...
-The pace.
-The total lack of subtlety. Really. Sledgehammer-like. OMG, look at Padme in the hospital, lying down! She's wearing white and giving birth! Look at Anakin in the hospital, lying down! He's wearing black and becoming a monster!
-Did I mention the dialogue? It cannot be mentioned often enough.
-The abruptness of Anakin's change: "That's not the Jedi way!" "What have I done?" "I pledge myself to you!"
-Why would you wipe C3PO's mind? Why didn't Artoo just tell him what happened?
-It took them only 3 years to get that much Death Star done, but 15 more years to complete it?! Give me a bloody break.

Is it bad that I found the fight scene between Ewan and Hayden hot? Not like fiery volcano hot. Just really sexy.

Meanwhile, characterisation is a MESS. All over the place. Obi-Wan seems like a totally different person from film to film, though of all of them this has to be my favourite Obi-Wan.

I'm sure I have more thoughts, just not right now.

It made me realise one very important and interesting fact, though: The real tragic hero of Star Wars is Anakin Skywalker. Luke's not the true hero, just a catalyst. It is Anakin's love for others, particularly his family, that was used against him to make him turn evil; it was this love properly applied that saved him and the Force. The Jedi Council rejected that passionate side of him when it should have embraced it, because that was what would have saved them. The true villain is the Dark Side, represented by Palpatine/Sidious.

Also, you need lovable rogues to make a good movie. See: Han Solo and Lando Calrissien. Okay, that's my own bias coming through.

ETA: Funny! And spoilery, but funny!

What's that saying about a bunch of monkeys and Shakespeare? I can honestly say I have read bad fanfiction written by a 12 year old that was better than the writing in the first three episodes of Star Wars.

Green Queen

Comments

[crumpeteer.livejournal.com]

Obi Wan did change a lot from movie to movie, more than I thought he should. Judging from the second movie I thought that part of the reason Anakin would go bad was because he resented Obi Wan and because Obi Wan was too hard on him. That wasn't it at all. Anakin and Obi Wan were brothers and best friends in this movie and they acted like it. Obi Wan was even completely supportive of Anakin when he threw his hissy fit in the Council room, something episode II Obi Wan would have lectured him about. I LOVED this Obi Wan version and I LOVED this Anakin version and I wish they had been like that all along. The only valid arguemnt for their changes would be that they were both maturing.

[green-queen.livejournal.com]

I agree, and I don't think three years' maturing would change someone like Obi-Wan that much. It seems more like they were just like "Oops, we messed him up. Let's fix him, nobody will notice."

I think Obi-Wan and Anakin only became believable characters in RotS. Plus? TEH GAY.

[poor-choices.livejournal.com]

THE DIALOGUE

WTF

[green-queen.livejournal.com]

SO. BAD.

[framianne.livejournal.com]

You have just written down every. single. thing. I thought while I was watching that movie. The dialogue is so bad that it made my ears bleed...I wanted to blame it on the bad translation/dubbing, but now I know that it was just as bad in the original version.

The final fight? Was incredibly hot, and I walked out of the cinema thinking exactly: "....is it so wrong that I found that sexy?". I completely understand you. And TEH GAY, yes! So much love there, omg! :)

[green-queen.livejournal.com]

Yeah. No, Lucas is an exceptionally bad writer. Really, really bad.

LOL I'm glad you agree! melissajane14 thought I was a bit insane for thinking that fight was hot I think. They just looked so...guh. So much intensity there.



!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[framianne.livejournal.com]

Did he personally write the script? Because to quote what you said, it's really, really bad.

That fight was SO HOT, and we aren't the only ones thinking that, believe me. :)

!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *Anne go boom* !!!!!!!!!!

[green-queen.livejournal.com]

OMG BOYKISSING.

Best ever.

[green-queen.livejournal.com]

Also, it says on IMDb that George Lucas wrote it. I think he needs an editor really, really badly.

[truffle-shuffle.livejournal.com]

I agree with everything you said. Everything. Except for Hayden being hot, because I think his face is very NOT hot, but his body is exceptional. Put a bag over his head, never allow him to speak, and I'll be a happy girl.

The Vader "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!" was so funny, I couldn't contain my laugher and I practically exploded with it. People gave me dirty looks and my roommate 'shushed' me in embarassment.

But really? I liked the movie a lot. So much better than the first two pieces of crap. Despite its shortcomings.

[green-queen.livejournal.com]

LOL see I usually don't think he's hot, but watching him in that I was drooling all over the place. The shirtless scene didn't hurt.

SAME HERE! Melissa and I cracked up and the whole cinema glared (except the others who had the sense to laugh!)

Yeah, I liked it better than the first two but...I left it feeling disappointed *sigh*

[tristantrakand.livejournal.com]

What I found really funny was when Palapatine said: "Darth Vader, can you hear me?" When Vader said yes I half-expected Palpatine to go: "How many fingers do I have up?" XD

[green-queen.livejournal.com]

LOL! I kept coming up with things like that but I can never remember them after. :S

[bitter-moss.livejournal.com]

Heehee I totally agree with EVERYTHING you said...even the bit about Hayden being hot!! And I was a bad audience member, laughing at the NOOOOO!! and making many sarcastic coments...'oh dear' and I wonder does Lucus have a love life with lines like that!? *ug*

[green-queen.livejournal.com]

I think most discerning viewers would've been bad audience members.

[martea-scryer.livejournal.com]

Teh Gay. So much love, it makes Obi-Wan's pain more credible when he learns the truth.

---Thank heavens for that! Because slash is always good=D

Hayden Christensen's face, torso, hair, and makeup and costuming teams. I don't usually find him attractive, but every time he was on screen I found myself saying "Wow. Hot."

---Right. On.

Kill me. Seriously. Also bad: WAR! as the first line in the opening text and Vadar screaming "NOOOO!"

---Its not totally bashing but "War!" as an opening killed me, too. Its part why I giggled to which my sister was hating me for. But I loved it, too...just found a new appreciation for it...*coughslashcough*

[green-queen.livejournal.com]

LMAO the WAR! thing cracked me up too. I mean, the movie had barely started and already I was reacting incorrectly. I got a LOT of glares during that movie.

Hayden/Ewan is sex.

[martea-scryer.livejournal.com]

Why do you think its an "incorrect" reaction? ;D It was a good laugh! People just need to see the "way of the lightsaber"...*weg*

Though sharper than anything was my sister giving me the 3rd degree. She must cross over to the dark side now. We have slash smarts!

[green-queen.livejournal.com]

LOL I keep remembering this sketch on some comedy show of a guy laughing in the weepy bits, crying in the action scenes and wincing during the comedy. After a couple minutes the ticket guy comes in and asks him to leave because his 'emotional responses are not in line with everybody else's.'

He shrugs, says "Okay" happily and leaves.

[martea-scryer.livejournal.com]

The worse case I had ever been, watching a movie, I think, is a toss up between when I watched Van Helsing and Troy. I enjoyed those movies, really!

In Van Helsing, though, I was seated next to some really clueless girl who hasn't seen much of the horror genre, that she was gasping! She just woulnd't budge with the "suspense" music, where you know something's about to happen...xD

Quite the double feature for me...

[green-queen.livejournal.com]

I hated Troy with a passion.

I laughed through the Planet of the Apes remake. The WHOLE THING. My friend kept hitting me, especially in the dramatic bits, but I couldn't help it.