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[green_queen]

Neither can live while the other survives = Harry is a Horcrux, both of them contain part of Voldemort's soul? I know everybody's been saying it and my theories are never original, but there you have it.

Does anyone know where I might find the chapter art for Half-Blood Prince? It's not up at Mugglenet yet.

Green Queen

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[sassygirl.livejournal.com]

yay for other people getting the same conclusion! his scar matches the ring!

[continoushell.livejournal.com]

interesting idea, but if harry was a horcrux, it'd mean he'd have to kill himself to finally defeat voldemort.

my idea, his scar is the horcrux(like sassygirl said above with it matching marvolo's ring) thats why voldemort wasnt able to kill harry in Goblet(defense mechanism, trying to prevent voldemort killing himself, the wand thing was just an unfortunate byproduct) and made voldemort able to possess harry etc. in Phoenix

what possibly could happen at the end of book 7(serious speculation here), is harry defeats voldemort but then discovers about the scar, and must remove it somehow finally killing voldemort and finally for the first time in his life, being a normal wizard.

[sassygirl.livejournal.com]

YES, i thought the scar will be removed and he can finally face life without the pressure of expectations, no recognisable mark as the boy who lived, the chosen one, etc.
but I do kind of think he'll die.

[frozenwithin.livejournal.com]

*nods* I agree, I had that in my Draco post =]

[thehush.livejournal.com]

Oh good! I thought I was alone in the theory. Wow, I'm totally out of the theory ring.

[magikalcrab.livejournal.com]

I was thinking the same thing, for a while. But at the same time, wouldn't Dumbledore have realised? I don't know. *ponders* Ummmm, don't know.

*re-reads and thinks more*

[seren-mahtori.livejournal.com]

He may have suspected. He didn't exactly tell Harry everything he needed to know did he? He may have still been just speculating? He may not have gotten his chance to tell Harry his suspicions. I guess we'll find out...as Dumbledore is still at Hogwarts...in the means of art...or the pensieve. Who knows.

[little-aims.livejournal.com]

Eh... not convinced about this 'Harry is a horcrux' thing. It is a really good theory, but I think if he were, he'd kinda be... evil? And how would Voldemort have done the spell? Besides maybe accidently, when he tried to kill Harry... but I have the feeling the spell is a little too complicated to just have it happen accidently.
*shrugs* I don't know. It is a possible, but I'm still not really convinced.

[seren-mahtori.livejournal.com]

But JKR never told us what the spell or enchantment it takes to create a Horcrux...only that you must kill for it to tear your soul...and he did that. It may be something very simple...as we all know...some of the most dangerous spells seem to be the easiest.

*crucio*
*sectumsempra*
*aveda kedavra*

I mean...simple so that they can be more dangerous. It wouldn't be good in a battle for the offensive spells to be big long droned out poems or anything...maybe dark magic works that way in many cases. Dunno...just my theory.

[truffle-shuffle.livejournal.com]

That's an interesting theory, but somehow I think it'd be a hard one to pull off. I mean, Voldemort would have wanted to make Harry part of him, and would be more apt to protect him rather than continually try to kill him if he were carrying around a little part of the ol' Voldemort soul, you know? It's proof that Voldemort didn't want the horcruxes to be found given the obstacles he made to finding them and retrieve them. Voldemort's intention was to kill Harry. It wasn't even really part of his plan to kill James and Lily, I think. They were just things he needed to get through to get to Harry. Remember, the man (term used loosly) didn't know what the meaning of love was. James and Lily protecting Harry probably wasn't something he'd even considered. He probably thought they'd actually stand aside and try to save themselves because the only actions he understands are selfish ones. He wasn't expecting Lily's love for her son to backfire on him.

[seren-mahtori.livejournal.com]

Maybe Voldemort hasn't realized that Harry is one of his Horcruxes? Or maybe he has...as Harry has come up against Voldemort a few times and now even faced the living, breathing monster himself...and yet Voldemort won't kill him yet. The Death Eaters wouldn't kill Harry at Hogwarts. Snape attacked them when they pulled the crucio on him. He said that the Dark Master wanted Harry for himself.

I think Voldemort knows now for certain if he didn't know before. I mean, how elsecould this kid break into the mind of the most powerful Dark Wizard in the world? How could Harry share so much of Voldemort's powers? And why has Voldemort blocked Harry out of his thoughts? Harry became possessed like the snake when he looked into Dumbledore's eyes in Book 5. He wanted to kill him. Voldemort was channeling through Harry.

More than any of that...what a clever place to put your last piece of soul... in the famous and loved "Boy Who Lived". Who would kill Harry to destroy Voldemort and who, but Dumbledore or Harry himself would ever figure that out and be able to help him? Indeed Harry would be an excellent place to hide a Horcrux. And it was completely possible in that Lilly was a great sacrifice to perform the Horcrux. The same power that saved Harry was also the power that damned him.

OOH! I wanna read the next book! *HURRY JKR!!!*

[truffle-shuffle.livejournal.com]

I'm not buying into it. Voldemort went after Harry because he heard half a prophesy saying that a child would be born at the end of July that would be his equal and destroy him. Why in the world would he want to keep alive, not to mention alive with a piece of his soul inside, the one person who could kill him? Voldemort, who fears death more than anything else? It doesn't make sense. And as for Lily's sacrifice aiding in implanting the Horcrux in Harry, well, Voldemort would have had to have known that Lily would make the sacrifice that she did. But how could he? He doesn't understand what love is, or that someone - especially a mother - would sacrifice her life for her child's. Remember, he assumed his mother was a Muggle because she couldn't stave off death when giving birth to him. He thought she was weak for succumbing to death. He'd never count on Lily giving up her life for Harry's.

I could be wrong, but I really doubt that this will pan out. It would mean that Harry would have to sacrifice his own life to kill Voldemort. The prophesy says neither can live while the other survives. This means one of them has to die, not both. But if the Horcrux were in Harry, and, say it's the last one to be destroyed, and Voldemort killed Harry (or Harry killed himself) then they'd both die. Also, keep in mind that ultimately, these are books for kids. JKR isn't going to have Harry sarifice himself to kill Voldemort. Suicide wouldn't go over well with parents or children.

[emma-took.livejournal.com]

oh yeah that makes so much sense!!! wow!

[king-avellmon.livejournal.com]

Wow. This theory seems incredibly hard not to believe; it is rather sensible. I'm convinced that Harry or his scar be one of the horcruxes, but I'm reserving full trust until reading the seventh book.

[seren-mahtori.livejournal.com]

OMG! I thought I was the only one who suspected that! I've been offline for a few days and I have only been talking to my friends offline. None of them said that thought even entered their minds. I was like...OMG! It's so friggin obvious! How else could Voldy have transferred some of his powers to Harry and not a part of his soul! I'm just trying to figure out how Harry's going to get rid of THAT Horcrux. Man...that book...which I finished at 5am today was just...not what I expected, but I really cried for this one.

Order of the Pheonix is probably my favorite, but I think I found a new bad guy to truly loathe more than Umbridge and Bellatrix and even Voldy. I think you can guess who that is. Oh...and someone gave a pretty decent guess of who R.A.B. is. And I was very amused when someone argued with, "But he's dead! He can't be the one!" Well...read the book again genius!

*is now dying painfully to read the final book*

[green-queen.livejournal.com]

I'm convinced Snape isn't a bad guy, and we all think it's Regulus Black.

[seren-mahtori.livejournal.com]

That's what they were saying. I think Harry will return to Hogwarts because there are still a lot of answers hiding in that place to help him suceed.

I know Snape only killed Dumbledore because of his Vow to Draco's mom. I don't think he would have done it had he not made that vow, but he is now marked for death because he DID kill Dumbledore to protect Draco. Which makes him a sorta good-guy/bad-guy...kinda. You know what I mean? I think he used Legilimency to tell Dumbledore why he had to do it before he actually did it...which is why Dumbledore pleaded with him like that. Still, I'm pissed at Snape, but at the same time...people do really horrible things in the face of protecting people they love on some level...and because they are afraid of what would happen if they fought back.

[green-queen.livejournal.com]

I don't think that's the only reason. I think they'd been planning it for a LONG time.

[arabella-hope.livejournal.com]

Not sure if Harry is a Horcrux, though it's possable. But my thought is this: DD was acting strange to me throughout the book...he mentions his "brainpower" and own "smartness" way too many times. I believe that the ring (or when he destroyed it) affected him somehow. We don't get the full story at all! His hand is "dead" in a way. So destroying a horcrux must do something to that person...though nothing bad happened in CoS, right? Gotta re-read!

And seriously, how can a scar be a Horcrux? it's a part of his skin, his face...not an entity on it's own! Harry himself is a better possibility...and if he has to die, so be it. Sad, yes, but that's it!

[green-queen.livejournal.com]

Actually, Dumbledore referred to his own cleverness quite often earlier, I think it's just that Harry spent more time with him in this book.

I never said his scar, I said Harry. The other commenters sais scar. I doubt that very highly.

[arabella-hope.livejournal.com]

yeah, I was really replying to it all...and I suppose you could be right about the "brain" thing...it just seemed to me that it was purposly reffered to much m,ore often in this book.

Thanks for letting me bounce some ideas off you...no one else in my family cares to read it, so I have to go online to discuss.

[flamingo-killer.livejournal.com]

Harry can't be a horcrux if he is able to defeat Voldemort in the end, because he can't kill Voldemort until every other piece of his soul is destroyed...

[green-queen.livejournal.com]

I'd only work if they killed each other.