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Ianto: most fan-loved, least appreciated character ever? Wales likes him, though, he made it onto their list of Wales's sexiest men. Mmm, Gareth.
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Green Queen, what is your favorite _________________ ?
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1. Tell me one thing you love about me.
2. Tell me two things you love about yourself. (No self-deprecation allowed!)
3. Look through the comments ~ when you see someone you know, tell them three things you love about them.
4. Repost in your own journal.
Aside from the religious/moral issues I've always had with the show, they really need to deal with their characterisation of women. I think that with a majority female audience who should be pretty savvy given that we've had shows like Buffy, Firefly, The X-Files, Battlestar Galactica, etc. to cut our teeth on, we should be able to expect more in terms of feminism. I find their portrayal of nearly all women to be sexist, exploitative or both. They are so often sex symbols, and this was particularly evident in 'Sin City.' Think about it: how many male characters were there outside of the boys? Bobby, Richie, the bar owner, his bodyguard, the priest, the guys killing themselves and each other. How many of them were sexy, or treated as sex objects? And how many girls were there, milling around, even aside from Ruby, the prostitute and bartender? The only non-sex object female in the whole episode, as far as I can remember, was the nun right at the beginning. And if a woman isn't a sex object, she's a mother figure - Ellen, Mary, Missouri. Not to say that these women aren't beautiful, but there's that dichotomy. Women on the show have to fit one of those two roles.
Actually, Ruby, for all her beauty, doesn't quite fit that mold yet, which is the only thing making me consider her interesting at this point - I still think she's way over the top. At least she isn't actually a love interest, sex object, or mother - she's a straight-up demon antagonist. Bela, in spite of her antagonism, was still treated as inferior - Dean was 100% convinced he could handle her because she was a girl, and in her first scene she used flirtation to get what she wanted.
Our boys are undeniably beautiful, but they can never just be sex symbols because they're the central figures and, let's face it, if they were there'd be no show.
I really should give up on this show. It has so many thing that bother me, and yet I keep going back for more.
That's sexual harassment, sir
Green Queen
Ianto: most fan-loved, least appreciated character ever? Wales likes him, though, he made it onto their list of Wales's sexiest men. Mmm, Gareth.
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mellafe: Ask me and I'll answer. Anything at all.Green Queen, what is your favorite _________________ ?
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fizzyblogic:1. Tell me one thing you love about me.
2. Tell me two things you love about yourself. (No self-deprecation allowed!)
3. Look through the comments ~ when you see someone you know, tell them three things you love about them.
4. Repost in your own journal.
Aside from the religious/moral issues I've always had with the show, they really need to deal with their characterisation of women. I think that with a majority female audience who should be pretty savvy given that we've had shows like Buffy, Firefly, The X-Files, Battlestar Galactica, etc. to cut our teeth on, we should be able to expect more in terms of feminism. I find their portrayal of nearly all women to be sexist, exploitative or both. They are so often sex symbols, and this was particularly evident in 'Sin City.' Think about it: how many male characters were there outside of the boys? Bobby, Richie, the bar owner, his bodyguard, the priest, the guys killing themselves and each other. How many of them were sexy, or treated as sex objects? And how many girls were there, milling around, even aside from Ruby, the prostitute and bartender? The only non-sex object female in the whole episode, as far as I can remember, was the nun right at the beginning. And if a woman isn't a sex object, she's a mother figure - Ellen, Mary, Missouri. Not to say that these women aren't beautiful, but there's that dichotomy. Women on the show have to fit one of those two roles.
Actually, Ruby, for all her beauty, doesn't quite fit that mold yet, which is the only thing making me consider her interesting at this point - I still think she's way over the top. At least she isn't actually a love interest, sex object, or mother - she's a straight-up demon antagonist. Bela, in spite of her antagonism, was still treated as inferior - Dean was 100% convinced he could handle her because she was a girl, and in her first scene she used flirtation to get what she wanted.
Our boys are undeniably beautiful, but they can never just be sex symbols because they're the central figures and, let's face it, if they were there'd be no show.
I really should give up on this show. It has so many thing that bother me, and yet I keep going back for more.
That's sexual harassment, sir
Green Queen
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Champagne or Pina Colada
Harry Potter, if it counts. If not, the collection of Japanese stories I've had since I was tiny with The Peach Boy in it.
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The portrayal is definitely sexist and at times, I think, very troubling. Up until this season with Ruby (Bela less so because she uses her sexuality to her advantage) women have been these objects to be acted upon. I cannot think of a female character (less than middle aged) who was not the lust object of one or more male characters. They inhabit these really arcane roles that don't seem to make sense in the world the boys live in -- if they can exist on the fringes I don't understand why female characters are treated like this. I don't understand the lack of sympathy - even from Sera Gamble.
Though it's also an issue with the fans. In BUABS (I think that was the episode's title, anyway) I was absolutely outraged when people reacted to Jo's abuse at demon!Sam's hands with words like "She deserves it!" or "That's so hot!" And while, ok, Jo's characterization was troubling from the start because she couldn't act on her own (without being the object of fan paranoid hysteria), she definitely didn't deserve the physical and emotional abuse. The symbolic kink! (The knife, the ropes, being laid on the bar) ...
I was also troubled by the fact that Dean was more than pleased to be found and patched up by her but when she wanted to tag along (she had REASON, I say, apart from "My daddy shot your daddy in the head") and help he was desultory.
... anyway, sorry. This is a hot button topic for me and I just couldn't help but comment. :)
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Although, to poke a hole in your argument, Jo was young but never a lust object to the boys. They WANTED her to be, but she never was. She was set up as a lust object for the audience, though.
It's such a crotch-grabbing masculine show. Muscle car, classic rock, road trip, middle Americana. Kripke sucks at character anyway - Dean and Sam were pretty much developed by other people - but the writing of girls is just lazy.
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But anyway. I think that the lust issues go both ways in the SPN fandom. The gaze in the show, the gaze on the show. And the BUABS situation is (in my opinion) definitely evocative of that!
... I live in middle America too! Their new plates look just like the ones on my truck. It kind of sucks that that is our representation. But anyway. Hopefully this season will bring about better characterization for our girls.
Maybe one day Dean & Sam will get the hots for a pudgy girl with glasses and a limp!
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Green Queen, what is your favorite meal?
Green Queen, what is your favorite time of day?
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Dessert
Nighttime
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I kind of like that idea but I'm fairly sure Sam's Lucius.
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However the reason why I say that Ruby is Lucius is becuase the moment Ruby said 'my boy', it kinda freaked me out. And that's when the Eureka moment began and I shall be stubborn until proven wrong. Which is likely going to be the point. lol
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